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Baseball Narcissism: Players Vs. Fans


By Jimmy Scott - Posted on 02 January 2009

I wrote the other day about the narcissism of baseball players and called my post Baseball Players & Narcissism.  In particular, I was writing about me, proving the narcissism of ballplayers.  Or at least my own narcissistic ways (try typing the word narcissistic - very difficult).  But something happened after I made the post.  I realized fans are pretty narcissistic too.

I was on Facebook and, because of the Jason Grilli interview I did, typed in his name to befriend him on that social networking forum.  You need to go to Facebook and do that.  Type in Jason Grilli.  He's there.  You know what else is there?  18 Facebook groups that are focused negatively about Jason Grilli.  There's "Dear Detroit Tigers, Please Cut Jason Grilli" (he was traded to Colorado last April 30).  There's "I Want To Punch Jason Grilli In The Mouth."  Heck, there's even the "Jason Grilli Hate Group."  I'm not going to provide hyperlinks.  Just take my word.

Reading all of those groups (I didn't join any) made me think about the relationship between fans and players.  We, as players, know who we are because we're part of an elite fraternity that is extremely difficult to break into.  And once we're in, we perpetuate a certain love and admiration for ourselves because of this accomplishment.  This narcissism is exhibited through our showy cars, homes and bling; by our turning our backs to the media or not signing an autograph for a fan.  Some of us even talk in the 3rd person.  Jimmy wouldn't do that.  Never.

All of that stuff has gone on since the dawn of professional sports.  We're players.  Fans aren't.  The players dig themselves because they can.  It's as simple as that.

Yet, there is another side to this.  What about the fans?  Don't you think fans embody their own narcissistic ways?  To me, if you can create a hate group for a relief pitcher whose MLB service time is still short of free agency, or any MLB player for that matter, then you've got to feel pretty good about yourself (while hating someone else simultaneously).  

Here's a situation: Pitcher throws 7 shutout innings and manager takes him out.  The setup guy comes in and mows 'em down 1-2-3.  The closer comes in to protect a 2-run lead and, after the inning is over, is on the losing end of a 3 to 2 game.  I can guarantee you that closer is not feeling very narcissistic at that point in time.  In fact, closers have their own internal hate groups.  They just don't admit it because they shut down those hate groups after a good night's sleep and hearty breakfast of Alka Seltzer & Advil.  So the closer is walking to the dugout to a Vienna Boys Choir of boos and curses and phrases pronounced with bad diction.  Who's got the narcissism then?  Could you state at that point the fans are the ones who are towing the line of self-admiration?  If you're yelling nasty stuff, if you're creating hate groups on the internet, if you're standing at the watercooler taunting fans of another team, don't you think you've got a little narcissism going on?

You do.  It's not up for debate.  You do.  Is that bad?  No.  Narcissism doesn't have to be a dirty word.  But I do think it's important for balance to be shown.  If a ballplayer rips fans in the media or gives them the finger as he reaches the dugout steps, he is crucified.  If a fan boos a player, it's accepted.  "I paid my money for this ticket and Rhinegold.  I can do whatever I want."  Fine.  Just know that you spoke two sentences and used the self-loving "I" word three times.  You think highly-enough of yourself to spew venom at a fellow human being.  You must think, at that moment in time, that you're better.  That you're the cat's meow.

If you ever read To Kill A Mockingbird, or watch the movie (which I'm sure our younger readers can find in a colorized version somewhere thanks to Ted Turner), you'll hear/read Atticus Finch tell young Scout to put herself in another man's shoes.  To really understand what someone is thinking or feeling, you need to put yourself in that person's position to see their viewpoint.

Should you disagree about this post with all of your might, ask yourself this: Do I disagree because Jimmy Scott is wrong?  Is he just sticking up for someone who did an interview with him?  Maybe.  A follow up for yourself would be this:  Do I disagree because Jimmy may be right but I can't admit it?  I am a fan, after all, and I have my rights.

You are a fan and you have your rights and part of the fun of being a fan is booing and yelling.  Our reaction to sports is our reaction to swirling stuff going on around us.  But, next time you're thinking about starting an I Hate Gil Meche "fan" club, think about what gives you the right to do that and what makes you think you're the one to do it.  Maybe there's a little narcissistic child inside, making you think you're the person to do this.  Or maybe you're just a strong-willed fan.

If you ask me, you're a little bit of both.  And from one narcissistic person to another, I welcome you to the club.

Hey BeesGal,

Great comment(s).  The great thing about the minors, as my friend and former 14 year minor league veteran said, is the passion the players have.  From an umpire's perspective, as my new friend Hunter Wendelstedt said, they need to spend 7 to 10 years bushin' it out for no money.  It's passion for baseball that gets them through.  It's the intense belief in their dreams and faith that they'll one day make it to "the show."  Players, umpires, managers, coaching staff (from strenght & conditioning to hitting) - they are all in the minor leagues to make it to the big leagues.  They're teammates competing against other teams and each other.  They are desperate and hungry.  I don't want to say it's Real Baseball, because you still see the best "product" in the world in MLB.  But it is Baseball, with a capital B.

Just like you're BeesGal with a capital B.  Thanks for reading.

And unfortunately, I have hurt my shoulder again.  Sucks being 40, going on 41. 

Hi Jimmy, Found you via Lisa W's recommend. What fun! Thought I would accept your invitation to join Club Narc(issist). Actually, I prefer the term Egotist, which makes me the de facto center around which the universe revolves, as opposed to just thinking I'm more lovable than anyone else. And most importantly, it's h*ll of a lot easier to type. At any rate, I've read your apology and wonder if it's really necessary? Aside from the PR problem, I mean. You pay for your domain space, you don't force anyone to read your opinion, you take your lumps/abuse. Nonetheless, if it's any consolation and speaking for myself (which of course is all that matters), apology accepted. As for why my opinion matters, hey, I’ve got some time to kill so here I am. I'm the type of fan who would rather watch the minors than The Show. It’s not so much about lofty ideals, like the purity of the game, but rather because I selfishly prefer watching sports without the value-added entertainment options thrown in. My definition, mine, mine, mine! [cue maniacal laughter], is sports is supposed to be about athletics, not entertainment. As such, I am not the least bit interested in sports-talk radio, rotisserie leagues, online betting, exploding scoreboards (although I do have a fondness for the Veecks) or which curvaceous companion A-Rod chooses spends his time with on any given evening. My motives are pretty simple, really. I want to see the best athletes playing their best game. Although I personally prefer the smaller venue of the bush leagues, I’m sincerely happy for a young athlete who earns his way into the Big Leagues; even better if he sticks. So what if we lose the PCL’s best RBI producer during a winning streak? I’m thinking how awesome it is he’s getting the chance to show his major league tools. Last season, for example, our bonus-baby pitching prospect got his you know what absolutely shelled for most of the summer. His confidence plummeted. Opposing teams knew if they could just get him rattled with a couple of BBs and RBIs, or better yet a 2-run dinger, he’d be taping on the icepack well before the 5th. Our team made it to the playoffs, during which the guys’ bats went sub-zero cold; our downfall was leaving men on base, in double-digit figures. Ouch. And you know what I really remember about that playoff series? The aforementioned young pitcher found his stuff again for his last three starts of the year. Even his posture on the mound changed, two inches taller in two weeks! In the post-Marvin Miller era of free-agency, I’m more likely to give my loyalty to a player than an organization. If the Angels left and say, New York bought the local franchise, I most likely would become a Yankees or Mets fan--because those are the kids I’d be watching. At the same time, I like the Angels because they develop lots of homegrown talent. That’s good for me for a couple of reasons: 1) better quality baseball at the minor league level, 2) a longer window for watching personal favorites and 3) a coaching staff heavily invested in in-house development. When Minnesota owned the franchise, it was good for me for similar reasons. Phil Roof--still my favorite manager of all time, period. Better yet, if the Twins weren’t going to get a playoff slot (which happened often in those days), they’d have the bushers finish out the AAA season before bringing them up. I know, I know, it’s lousy not to get a Labor Day call-up or chance for 10 days on the MLB roster. Hey, sorry guys, I’m human too. I suppose it’s significant to mention I've spent a bit of time "inside" the world of elite athletics. It doesn’t make me smarter or cooler than anyone else out there. (I’m awesome for entirely other reasons.) I sit in the stands instead of the dugout. Therefore, by definition, I'm just a fan, just like everyone else. Say, thanks for letting me crash your blog space in order to share my $0.02 of wit and charm with the rest of the world. I guess the way I look at it, we all have our conceits about the way the world is supposed to be, including how people are supposed to behave. It's what makes us human, flawed and lovable. And lastly, seems like February is coming up fast--good luck with the upcoming season and your UCL. (No more “popping” noises, ugh!) Keep throwing the heat and I’ll try not to flinch like a girl. . .BeesGal ;-)

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